The number of lost samples could be greater than the number of
received samples. This patches fixes this. The implementation
introduces return values for add_sample() and add_code().
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
This function is no longer available after the port to the new ring
buffer. Its removal can lead to incomplete sampling sequences since
IBS samples and backtraces are transfered in multiple samples. Due to
a full buffer, samples could be lost any time. The userspace daemon
has to live with such incomplete sampling sequences as long as the
data within one sample is consistent.
This will be fixed by changing the internal buffer data there all data
of one IBS sample or a backtrace is packed in a single ring buffer
entry. This is possible since the new ring buffer supports variable
data size.
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
This patch replaces the current oprofile cpu buffer implementation
with the ring buffer provided by the tracing framework. The motivation
here is to leave the pain of implementing ring buffers to others. Oh,
no, there are more advantages. Main reason is the support of different
sample sizes that could be stored in the buffer. Use cases for this
are IBS and Cell spu profiling. Using the new ring buffer ensures
valid and complete samples and allows copying the cpu buffer stateless
without knowing its content. Second it will use generic kernel API and
also reduce code size. And hopefully, there are less bugs.
Since the new tracing ring buffer implementation uses spin locks to
protect the buffer during read/write access, it is difficult to use
the buffer in an NMI handler. In this case, writing to the buffer by
the NMI handler (x86) could occur also during critical sections when
reading the buffer. To avoid this, there are 2 buffers for independent
read and write access. Read access is in process context only, write
access only in the NMI handler. If the read buffer runs empty, both
buffers are swapped atomically. There is potentially a small window
during swapping where the buffers are disabled and samples could be
lost.
Using 2 buffers is a little bit overhead, but the solution is clear
and does not require changes in the ring buffer implementation. It can
be changed to a single buffer solution when the ring buffer access is
implemented as non-locking atomic code.
The new buffer requires more size to store the same amount of samples
because each sample includes an u32 header. Also, there is more code
to execute for buffer access. Nonetheless, the buffer implementation
is proven in the ftrace environment and worth to use also in oprofile.
Patches that changes the internal IBS buffer usage will follow.
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
This patch restores default values for:
/dev/oprofile/cpu_buffer_size
/dev/oprofile/buffer_watershed
/dev/oprofile/buffer_size
when creating the oprofilefs:
# opcontrol --deinit
# opcontrol --init
# cat /dev/oprofile/cpu_buffer_size
8192
# echo 5123 > /dev/oprofile/cpu_buffer_size
# cat /dev/oprofile/cpu_buffer_size
5123
# opcontrol --deinit
# opcontrol --init
# cat /dev/oprofile/cpu_buffer_size
8192
# opcontrol --deinit
This sets the values in a defined state. Before, there was no way to
restore the defaults without rebooting the system or reloading the
module.
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Regular bitops don't work as locks on all architectures.
Also: can use non-atomic unlock as no concurrent stores to the word.
Signed-off-by: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
* 'for-linus' of git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rric/oprofile: (21 commits)
OProfile: Fix buffer synchronization for IBS
oprofile: hotplug cpu fix
oprofile: fixing whitespaces in arch/x86/oprofile/*
oprofile: fixing whitespaces in arch/x86/oprofile/*
oprofile: fixing whitespaces in drivers/oprofile/*
x86/oprofile: add the logic for enabling additional IBS bits
x86/oprofile: reordering functions in nmi_int.c
x86/oprofile: removing unused function parameter in add_ibs_begin()
oprofile: more whitespace fixes
oprofile: whitespace fixes
OProfile: Rename IBS sysfs dir into "ibs_op"
OProfile: Rework string handling in setup_ibs_files()
OProfile: Rework oprofile_add_ibs_sample() function
oprofile: discover counters for op ppro too
oprofile: Implement Intel architectural perfmon support
oprofile: Don't report Nehalem as core_2
oprofile: drop const in num counters field
Revert "Oprofile Multiplexing Patch"
x86, oprofile: BUG: using smp_processor_id() in preemptible code
x86/oprofile: fix on_each_cpu build error
...
Manually fixed trivial conflicts in
drivers/oprofile/{cpu_buffer.c,event_buffer.h}
The issue is the SPU code is not holding the kernel mutex lock while
adding samples to the kernel buffer.
This patch creates per SPU buffers to hold the data. Data
is added to the buffers from in interrupt context. The data
is periodically pushed to the kernel buffer via a new Oprofile
function oprofile_put_buff(). The oprofile_put_buff() function
is called via a work queue enabling the funtion to acquire the
mutex lock.
The existing user controls for adjusting the per CPU buffer
size is used to control the size of the per SPU buffers.
Similarly, overflows of the SPU buffers are reported by
incrementing the per CPU buffer stats. This eliminates the
need to have architecture specific controls for the per SPU
buffers which is not acceptable to the OProfile user tool
maintainer.
The export of the oprofile add_event_entry() is removed as it
is no longer needed given this patch.
Note, this patch has not addressed the issue of indexing arrays
by the spu number. This still needs to be fixed as the spu
numbering is not guarenteed to be 0 to max_num_spus-1.
Signed-off-by: Carl Love <carll@us.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Maynard Johnson <maynardj@us.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Acked-by: Acked-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Signed-off-by: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
The patch is needed since there is some IBS code in add_ibs_begin()
that handles more than one sample per iteration. This requires calling
get_slots() during each loop.
This fixes the current problem, but a proper solution that reworks the
cpu buffer synchronization is needed here in the future.
Signed-off-by: Barry Kasindorf <barry.kasindorf@amd.com>
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
This patch addresses problems when hotplugging cpus while
profiling. Instead of allocating only online cpus, all possible cpu
buffers are allocated, which allows cpus to be onlined during
operation. If a cpu is offlined before profiling is shutdown
wq_sync_buffer checks for this condition then cancels this work and
does not sync this buffer.
Signed-off-by: Chris J Arges <arges@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
If an error occurs on opcontrol start, the event and per cpu buffers
are released. If later opcontrol shutdown is called then the free
function will be called again to free buffers that no longer
exist. This results in a kernel oops. The following changes
prevent the call to delete buffers that don't exist.
Signed-off-by: Carl Love <carll@us.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Acked-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Signed-off-by: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
This patch introduces multiplexing support for the Oprofile kernel
module. It basically adds a new function pointer in oprofile_operator
allowing each architecture to supply its callback to switch between
different sets of event when the timer expires. Userspace tools can
modify the time slice through /dev/oprofile/time_slice.
It also modifies the number of counters exposed to the userspace through
/dev/oprofile. For example, the number of counters for AMD CPUs are
changed to 32 and multiplexed in the sets of 4.
Signed-off-by: Jason Yeh <jason.yeh@amd.com>
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Cc: oprofile-list <oprofile-list@lists.sourceforge.net>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
This patchset supports the new profiling hardware available in the
latest AMD CPUs in the oProfile driver.
Signed-off-by: Barry Kasindorf <barry.kasindorf@amd.com>
Signed-off-by: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Cc: oprofile-list <oprofile-list@lists.sourceforge.net>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Alignment was previously requested because cpu_buffer was an [NR_CPUS]
array, to avoid cache line sharing between CPUS.
After commit 608dfddd84 (oprofile: change
cpu_buffer from array to per_cpu variable ), we dont need to force an
alignement anymore since cpu_buffer sits in per_cpu zone.
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Change cpu_buffer from array to per_cpu variable in oprofile functions.
[akpm@linux-foundation.org: coding-style fixes]
Cc: Philippe Elie <phil.el@wanadoo.fr>
Signed-off-by: Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
get_dcookie() is always called with a dentry and a vfsmount from a struct
path. Make get_dcookie() take it directly as an argument.
[akpm@linux-foundation.org: coding-style fixes]
Signed-off-by: Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>
Acked-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Instruction pointer returned by profile_pc() can be a random value. This
break the assumption than we can safely set struct op_sample.eip field to a
magic value to signal to the per-cpu buffer reader side special event like
task switch ending up in a segfault in get_task_mm() when profile_pc()
return ~0UL. Fixed by sanitizing the sampled eip and reject/log invalid
eip.
Problem reported by Sami Farin, patch tested by him.
Signed-off-by: Philippe Elie <phil.el@wanadoo.fr>
Tested-by: Sami Farin <safari-kernel@safari.iki.fi>
Cc: <stable@kernel.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
From: Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>
This patch updates the existing arch/powerpc/oprofile/op_model_cell.c
to add in the SPU profiling capabilities. In addition, a 'cell' subdirectory
was added to arch/powerpc/oprofile to hold Cell-specific SPU profiling code.
Exports spu_set_profile_private_kref and spu_get_profile_private_kref which
are used by OProfile to store private profile information in spufs data
structures.
Also incorporated several fixes from other patches (rrn). Check pointer
returned from kzalloc. Eliminated unnecessary cast. Better error
handling and cleanup in the related area. 64-bit unsigned long parameter
was being demoted to 32-bit unsigned int and eventually promoted back to
unsigned long.
Signed-off-by: Carl Love <carll@us.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Bob Nelson <rrnelson@us.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd.bergmann@de.ibm.com>
Acked-by: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
First thing mm.h does is including sched.h solely for can_do_mlock() inline
function which has "current" dereference inside. By dealing with can_do_mlock()
mm.h can be detached from sched.h which is good. See below, why.
This patch
a) removes unconditional inclusion of sched.h from mm.h
b) makes can_do_mlock() normal function in mm/mlock.c
c) exports can_do_mlock() to not break compilation
d) adds sched.h inclusions back to files that were getting it indirectly.
e) adds less bloated headers to some files (asm/signal.h, jiffies.h) that were
getting them indirectly
Net result is:
a) mm.h users would get less code to open, read, preprocess, parse, ... if
they don't need sched.h
b) sched.h stops being dependency for significant number of files:
on x86_64 allmodconfig touching sched.h results in recompile of 4083 files,
after patch it's only 3744 (-8.3%).
Cross-compile tested on
all arm defconfigs, all mips defconfigs, all powerpc defconfigs,
alpha alpha-up
arm
i386 i386-up i386-defconfig i386-allnoconfig
ia64 ia64-up
m68k
mips
parisc parisc-up
powerpc powerpc-up
s390 s390-up
sparc sparc-up
sparc64 sparc64-up
um-x86_64
x86_64 x86_64-up x86_64-defconfig x86_64-allnoconfig
as well as my two usual configs.
Signed-off-by: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
nmi_cpu_setup() is called from hardirq context and acquires oprofilefs_lock.
alloc_event_buffer() and oprofilefs_ulong_from_user() acquire this lock
without disabling irqs, which could deadlock.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Many struct file_operations in the kernel can be "const". Marking them const
moves these to the .rodata section, which avoids false sharing with potential
dirty data. In addition it'll catch accidental writes at compile time to
these shared resources.
Signed-off-by: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
This eliminates the i_blksize field from struct inode. Filesystems that want
to provide a per-inode st_blksize can do so by providing their own getattr
routine instead of using the generic_fillattr() function.
Note that some filesystems were providing pretty much random (and incorrect)
values for i_blksize.
[bunk@stusta.de: cleanup]
[akpm@osdl.org: generic_fillattr() fix]
Signed-off-by: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
The following patches reduce the size of the VFS inode structure by 28 bytes
on a UP x86. (It would be more on an x86_64 system). This is a 10% reduction
in the inode size on a UP kernel that is configured in a production mode
(i.e., with no spinlock or other debugging functions enabled; if you want to
save memory taken up by in-core inodes, the first thing you should do is
disable the debugging options; they are responsible for a huge amount of bloat
in the VFS inode structure).
This patch:
The filesystem or device-specific pointer in the inode is inside a union,
which is pretty pointless given that all 30+ users of this field have been
using the void pointer. Get rid of the union and rename it to i_private, with
a comment to explain who is allowed to use the void pointer. This is just a
cleanup, but it allows us to reuse the union 'u' for something something where
the union will actually be used.
[judith@osdl.org: powerpc build fix]
Signed-off-by: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Signed-off-by: Judith Lebzelter <judith@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Philippe Elie <phil.el@wanadoo.fr>
Cc: John Levon <levon@movementarian.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Extend the get_sb() filesystem operation to take an extra argument that
permits the VFS to pass in the target vfsmount that defines the mountpoint.
The filesystem is then required to manually set the superblock and root dentry
pointers. For most filesystems, this should be done with simple_set_mnt()
which will set the superblock pointer and then set the root dentry to the
superblock's s_root (as per the old default behaviour).
The get_sb() op now returns an integer as there's now no need to return the
superblock pointer.
This patch permits a superblock to be implicitly shared amongst several mount
points, such as can be done with NFS to avoid potential inode aliasing. In
such a case, simple_set_mnt() would not be called, and instead the mnt_root
and mnt_sb would be set directly.
The patch also makes the following changes:
(*) the get_sb_*() convenience functions in the core kernel now take a vfsmount
pointer argument and return an integer, so most filesystems have to change
very little.
(*) If one of the convenience function is not used, then get_sb() should
normally call simple_set_mnt() to instantiate the vfsmount. This will
always return 0, and so can be tail-called from get_sb().
(*) generic_shutdown_super() now calls shrink_dcache_sb() to clean up the
dcache upon superblock destruction rather than shrink_dcache_anon().
This is required because the superblock may now have multiple trees that
aren't actually bound to s_root, but that still need to be cleaned up. The
currently called functions assume that the whole tree is rooted at s_root,
and that anonymous dentries are not the roots of trees which results in
dentries being left unculled.
However, with the way NFS superblock sharing are currently set to be
implemented, these assumptions are violated: the root of the filesystem is
simply a dummy dentry and inode (the real inode for '/' may well be
inaccessible), and all the vfsmounts are rooted on anonymous[*] dentries
with child trees.
[*] Anonymous until discovered from another tree.
(*) The documentation has been adjusted, including the additional bit of
changing ext2_* into foo_* in the documentation.
[akpm@osdl.org: convert ipath_fs, do other stuff]
Signed-off-by: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Nathan Scott <nathans@sgi.com>
Cc: Roland Dreier <rolandd@cisco.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Mark the f_ops members of inodes as const, as well as fix the
ripple-through this causes by places that copy this f_ops and then "do
stuff" with it.
Signed-off-by: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
On ppc64 we look at a profiling register to work out the sample address and
if it was in userspace or kernel.
The backtrace interface oprofile_add_sample does not allow this. Create
oprofile_add_ext_sample and make oprofile_add_sample use it too.
Signed-off-by: Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
Cc: Philippe Elie <phil.el@wanadoo.fr>
Cc: John Levon <levon@movementarian.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
When we stop allocating percpu memory for not-possible CPUs we must not touch
the percpu data for not-possible CPUs at all. The correct way of doing this
is to test cpu_possible() or to use for_each_cpu().
This patch is a kernel-wide sweep of all instances of NR_CPUS. I found very
few instances of this bug, if any. But the patch converts lots of open-coded
test to use the preferred helper macros.
Cc: Mikael Starvik <starvik@axis.com>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Kyle McMartin <kyle@parisc-linux.org>
Cc: Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
Cc: Christian Zankel <chris@zankel.net>
Cc: Philippe Elie <phil.el@wanadoo.fr>
Cc: Nathan Scott <nathans@sgi.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
- Move capable() from sched.h to capability.h;
- Use <linux/capability.h> where capable() is used
(in include/, block/, ipc/, kernel/, a few drivers/,
mm/, security/, & sound/;
many more drivers/ to go)
Signed-off-by: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Make oprofile alloc_cpu_buffers() function NUMA aware, allocating each CPU
local buffer in its memory node if possible.
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: Philippe Elie <phil.el@wanadoo.fr>
Cc: John Levon <levon@movementarian.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Applying RCU to the task structure broke oprofile, because
free_task_notify() can now be called from softirq. This means that the
task_mortuary lock must be acquired with irq disabled in order to avoid
intermittent self-deadlock. Since irq is now disabled, the critical
section within process_task_mortuary() has been restructured to be O(1) in
order to maximize scalability and minimize realtime latency degradation.
Kudos to Wu Fengguang for finding this problem!
CC: Wu Fengguang <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
Cc: Philippe Elie <phil.el@wanadoo.fr>
Cc: John Levon <levon@movementarian.org>
Signed-off-by: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
`gcc -W' likes to complain if the static keyword is not at the beginning of
the declaration. This patch fixes all remaining occurrences of "inline
static" up with "static inline" in the entire kernel tree (140 occurrences in
47 files).
While making this change I came across a few lines with trailing whitespace
that I also fixed up, I have also added or removed a blank line or two here
and there, but there are no functional changes in the patch.
Signed-off-by: Jesper Juhl <juhl-lkml@dif.dk>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
The below patch passes samples from anonymous regions to userspace instead
of just dropping them. This provides the support needed for reporting
anonymous-region code samples (today: basic accumulated results; later:
Java and other dynamically compiled code).
As this changes the format, an upgrade to the just-released 0.9 release of
the userspace tools is required.
This patch is based upon an earlier one by Will Cohen <wcohen@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: John Levon <levon@movementarian.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
This patch implements a number of smp_processor_id() cleanup ideas that
Arjan van de Ven and I came up with.
The previous __smp_processor_id/_smp_processor_id/smp_processor_id API
spaghetti was hard to follow both on the implementational and on the
usage side.
Some of the complexity arose from picking wrong names, some of the
complexity comes from the fact that not all architectures defined
__smp_processor_id.
In the new code, there are two externally visible symbols:
- smp_processor_id(): debug variant.
- raw_smp_processor_id(): nondebug variant. Replaces all existing
uses of _smp_processor_id() and __smp_processor_id(). Defined
by every SMP architecture in include/asm-*/smp.h.
There is one new internal symbol, dependent on DEBUG_PREEMPT:
- debug_smp_processor_id(): internal debug variant, mapped to
smp_processor_id().
Also, i moved debug_smp_processor_id() from lib/kernel_lock.c into a new
lib/smp_processor_id.c file. All related comments got updated and/or
clarified.
I have build/boot tested the following 8 .config combinations on x86:
{SMP,UP} x {PREEMPT,!PREEMPT} x {DEBUG_PREEMPT,!DEBUG_PREEMPT}
I have also build/boot tested x64 on UP/PREEMPT/DEBUG_PREEMPT. (Other
architectures are untested, but should work just fine.)
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Signed-off-by: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Initial git repository build. I'm not bothering with the full history,
even though we have it. We can create a separate "historical" git
archive of that later if we want to, and in the meantime it's about
3.2GB when imported into git - space that would just make the early
git days unnecessarily complicated, when we don't have a lot of good
infrastructure for it.
Let it rip!
